Supply and demand? 5 Sports available for sale at same time and several been for sale for a long time. Is a FibreCar sports on a space frame with Torana front end less valuable than the original condition factory prototype Sports or another of the original 13? IMHO the whole collectibility of classic cars has been driven by the unsustainable housing prices and when they flip people are not as 'rich" as they perceive so maybe demand for expensive collectibles drops. I certainly hope not as these are beautiful cars.
This car has had plenty of money thrown at it and it is a beautiful car. It comes down to what the buyer wants. I believe one of the cars, an original of the 13??, has been withdrawn from sale at a reduced price that what was originally for sale for. However if any of the owners have principals and doesn’t want to reduce their price then good on them, but in this financial climate, it’s not a good time to sell one of these vehicles and expect the maximum price.
Unfortunately all Bolwells will eventually become unsaleable unless it’s a collector buying. The young ones these days aren’t interested in classics unless it’s Holden, Falcon, Charger or modern Japanese buzz boxes.
What would be the youngest in any Bolwell club around the country would be in their mid to late 40s?
luckily there are some quite a bit younger than that. it is really a job of the clubs to educating the great unwashed....a lot do not realise that oz had a very vibrant market in these type of cars. when you take them to car shows, and on the road, they do like them and also are amazed that they are Australian.That's why they are better on the road and seen.
It's up to the clubs to market their cars (all classics, not just Bolwell's)...if they're not seen, they don't generate interest from the general public, therefore cannot command higher prices. A lot of clubs are too complacent...there's plenty of old cars out there.
Yes I agree degruch but whilst the discussion was centred around younger generation picking up the marque, if we don’t have them coming through the clubs nationally it will all end one day sooner than we had thought.
Even when they do generate interest at various club functions it’s more than likely the older generation that remember Bolwells when they were younger or members of other marque clubs.
I believe that all clubs should be involved during Australia Day celebrations around the country. That should help generate the Aussie in them.
How do you kindle interest in Bollies targeted at a younger group of people? The BCCA in most states were driven by a core of extremely dedicated guys n gals who unfortunately are getting on in years. We do not have the luxury of relying on a small percentage of new owners from a production run of tens of thousands of cars joining the club as MG and Healey people do. The Nagaris that started this thread ARE expensive which would rule out most young people whilst successful young people who do have such money also have many other things to compete for their dollar, if they are car people and let's face it car people are our target market for club members. Let's face it the expensive Mk 7's seem not to sell except to old people who used to own one when they were young. Cheap Mk 7's and other cars sell well but all about price at the lower level. The future of the various state clubs seems to be quite a challenge over the next 10 to 15 years.
The last few Bay to Birdwoods I've been to, all the Bollies are sitting outside the oval in a little bunch...hardly anyone sees them. On the other hand, the Bellett and Skyline guys I know travel in a bunch, bring signs and advertising, and they're not even in a club. People swarm all over them, and I know both groups have young guys all over them. Sorry to say it, but if a 20 year old can buy a nice 240Z for $25k, what would attract them to a Nagari?
I would suggest that, as a gesture of goodwill, anyone with a Bolwell currently for sale knock a nought off the end of the price. This would make them more affordable for younger owners and introduce a whole new group who would raise the profile of the marque for many years to come thus allaying the concerns others have expressed here.
Supply and demand? 5 Sports available for sale at same time and several been for sale for a long time. Is a FibreCar sports on a space frame with Torana front end less valuable than the original condition factory prototype Sports or another of the original 13? IMHO the whole collectibility of classic cars has been driven by the unsustainable housing prices and when they flip people are not as 'rich" as they perceive so maybe demand for expensive collectibles drops. I certainly hope not as these are beautiful cars.
ReplyDeleteThis car has had plenty of money thrown at it and it is a beautiful car. It comes down to what the buyer wants.
ReplyDeleteI believe one of the cars, an original of the 13??, has been withdrawn from sale at a reduced price that what was originally for sale for.
However if any of the owners have principals and doesn’t want to reduce their price then good on them, but in this financial climate, it’s not a good time to sell one of these vehicles and expect the maximum price.
I think prices will be on their way down for some time...put 'em back on the market at these prices is 15 years or so.
ReplyDeleteGiven how many Nagari owners are pushing 60 to 65 now then in 15 years they would be pushing 80!!!!! What happened?
ReplyDeleteUnfortunately all Bolwells will eventually become unsaleable unless it’s a collector buying.
ReplyDeleteThe young ones these days aren’t interested in classics unless it’s Holden, Falcon, Charger or modern Japanese buzz boxes.
What would be the youngest in any Bolwell club around the country would be in their mid to late 40s?
luckily there are some quite a bit younger than that. it is really a job of the clubs to educating the great unwashed....a lot do not realise that oz had a very vibrant market in these type of cars. when you take them to car shows, and on the road, they do like them and also are amazed that they are Australian.That's why they are better on the road and seen.
ReplyDeleteI’d really like to know where they are at then if there are plenty younger than their mid 40s?
ReplyDeleteIt's up to the clubs to market their cars (all classics, not just Bolwell's)...if they're not seen, they don't generate interest from the general public, therefore cannot command higher prices. A lot of clubs are too complacent...there's plenty of old cars out there.
ReplyDeleteYes I agree degruch but whilst the discussion was centred around younger generation picking up the marque, if we don’t have them coming through the clubs nationally it will all end one day sooner than we had thought.
ReplyDeleteEven when they do generate interest at various club functions it’s more than likely the older generation that remember Bolwells when they were younger or members of other marque clubs.
I believe that all clubs should be involved during Australia Day celebrations around the country.
That should help generate the Aussie in them.
How do you kindle interest in Bollies targeted at a younger group of people? The BCCA in most states were driven by a core of extremely dedicated guys n gals who unfortunately are getting on in years. We do not have the luxury of relying on a small percentage of new owners from a production run of tens of thousands of cars joining the club as MG and Healey people do. The Nagaris that started this thread ARE expensive which would rule out most young people whilst successful young people who do have such money also have many other things to compete for their dollar, if they are car people and let's face it car people are our target market for club members. Let's face it the expensive Mk 7's seem not to sell except to old people who used to own one when they were young. Cheap Mk 7's and other cars sell well but all about price at the lower level. The future of the various state clubs seems to be quite a challenge over the next 10 to 15 years.
ReplyDeleteThe last few Bay to Birdwoods I've been to, all the Bollies are sitting outside the oval in a little bunch...hardly anyone sees them. On the other hand, the Bellett and Skyline guys I know travel in a bunch, bring signs and advertising, and they're not even in a club. People swarm all over them, and I know both groups have young guys all over them. Sorry to say it, but if a 20 year old can buy a nice 240Z for $25k, what would attract them to a Nagari?
ReplyDeleteI would suggest that, as a gesture of goodwill, anyone with a Bolwell currently for sale knock a nought off the end of the price. This would make them more affordable for younger owners and introduce a whole new group who would raise the profile of the marque for many years to come thus allaying the concerns others have expressed here.
ReplyDelete...great suggestion! Don't do it just on my behalf though...I'm just stating the obvious.
ReplyDelete